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PLANES VERY LOW OVER HOLLY HILL AND FERRY HILL TODAY!!!!!!!!

Postby seamróg » Mar Tue 06, 2007 10:58 pm

Anyone else see the red and white plane skim over the hills today around 4:40PM? It was about 80 yards off the top of Holly. I saw a couple others earlier fly low over Ferry Hill. This is getting scary!!!!!

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Postby Foxx » Mar Tue 06, 2007 11:24 pm

seamfrog i'm with you.

The planes were actually abuot 10 feet above the telephone poles in my neighborhood!!One Boeing's landing gear almost skimmed my roof!!!

This is an outrage!

I demand an investigation! :twisted:

I'm marching down to Logan Airport right now and am going to sit in the middle of the runway!!!

I don't care anymore!! I have had it with low flying Planes!!

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Postby Hurricane » Mar Tue 06, 2007 11:32 pm

Foxx wrote:I'm marching down to Logan Airport right now and am going to sit in the middle of the runway!!!

What will that accomplish?
You will either freeze to death or one of the planes will mow you down.
Either way, Logan would care less.
Although, I do understand your frustration.
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Postby Foxx » Mar Wed 07, 2007 12:04 am

You are right hurricane.but the planes are flying so low that the fillings in my teeth are rattling and i have many broken windows on my property from the noise vibration.including my car windshield on two occasions :evil:

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Postby Hurricane » Mar Wed 07, 2007 12:17 am

I am sorry but I have to admit I cracked up laughing about the fillings in your teeth rattling. :lol: :oops:
But are you serious about the planes' vibrations breaking your windows? :o
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Postby Gerald Bostock » Mar Wed 07, 2007 4:37 pm

File a Disturbance Report with Massport. If you don't, jet noise will get a LOT worse!

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Postby Gerald Bostock » Mar Wed 07, 2007 4:41 pm

We are being tested now.
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Postby Marshead » Mar Wed 07, 2007 4:46 pm

You can call the Logan noise complaint hotline (as Gerald said, it's 617-561-3333), or file a noise complaint on-line at:

http://www.massport.com/logan/airpo_noise_form.aspx

Massport and the FAA are currently in the process of reviewing a plan that would add THREE new flight paths over Marshfield (by diverting them from where there are now, which is mostly over other towns on the South Shore). So it is VERY important that if you hear a loud plane, file a complaint with Logan. Don't just take the time to post about it here -- your time would be much more productively spent contacting the Logan noise complaint office. It's quick and easy.

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Postby Gerald Bostock » Mar Wed 07, 2007 5:09 pm

Oh, and if you or a family member is particularly susceptible to annoyance or disturbance by noise, don't hesitate to comment as such.

For example, if you are an insomniac (like me) or have trouble studying, reading, meditating, concentrating or whatever - LET THEM KNOW.
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Postby Bridges » Mar Wed 07, 2007 9:07 pm

Gerald Bostock wrote:We are being tested now.


Not any more than in the past. I have been watching the Airport Monitor and replaying tracks. I still have not seen anything below 6000 feet over Marshfield. But don't take my word for it - go look for yourself. They archive tracks well back into 2006.

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Postby Bridges » Mar Wed 07, 2007 10:16 pm

Interesting - right now they are trending higher. About 9,000 feet or more crossing Rt. 3 heading NE, and about 8,000 feet or more passing off the shoreline.

I don't think they should be rattling any windows at 8K feet altitude...

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Postby Bob » Mar Thu 08, 2007 6:26 am

Bridges wrote:Interesting - right now they are trending higher. About 9,000 feet or more crossing Rt. 3 heading NE, and about 8,000 feet or more passing off the shoreline.

I don't think they should be rattling any windows at 8K feet altitude...


Bridges, Could you please post a link to the site that shows this?
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Postby Gerald Bostock » Mar Thu 08, 2007 11:41 am

Bridges wrote:
Gerald Bostock wrote:We are being tested now.


Not any more than in the past. I have been watching the Airport Monitor and replaying tracks. I still have not seen anything below 6000 feet over Marshfield. But don't take my word for it - go look for yourself. They archive tracks well back into 2006.


I've seen and HEARD many big jets below 4000 feet.

So, you still have some buddies at the FAA Bridges?

Bob, here's the link:
http://www4.passur.com/bos.html
Set range to 40 miles to see Marshfield.
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Postby seamróg » Mar Thu 08, 2007 1:05 pm

Bridges wrote:Interesting - right now they are trending higher. About 9,000 feet or more crossing Rt. 3 heading NE, and about 8,000 feet or more passing off the shoreline.

I don't think they should be rattling any windows at 8K feet altitude...


Your way off with this altitude. Some pilots are sinking pretty low. I just filed another complaint. I encourage everyone else to as well. My buddy is an ex-fighter pilot and he sh*t himself when he saw how low they are flying over North Marshfield/Humarock.

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Postby sevenup » Mar Thu 08, 2007 2:15 pm

Check out March 6 at 7:12 am. I saw this plane as I put out the trash-I thought there was something wrong with it since it was so low and banking hard left to go to Logan. It said 4100 Ft.

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Postby The Hunter » Mar Thu 08, 2007 2:38 pm

Different perspective... I have been in a plane that came in low over Duxbury / Brant Rock / Humarock. Pretty cool view, but we did seem low for being 20+ miles out.

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Postby Gerald Bostock » Mar Thu 08, 2007 2:51 pm

The flight testing program has only begun. And, though I will not disclose details now, it is even more devious and deceptive than we ever could have imagined.

HEAR A LOUD JET - FILE A COMPLAINT!
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Postby Hurricane » Mar Thu 08, 2007 6:58 pm

A REMINDER:

Bob Parkis show tonight with Patti Epstein & Marianne McCabe on Ch. 13.
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Postby Foxx » Mar Thu 08, 2007 10:00 pm

Seafrog wrote:Your way off with this altitude. Some pilots are sinking pretty low. I just filed another complaint. I encourage everyone else to as well. My buddy is an ex-fighter pilot and he sh*t himself when he saw how low they are flying over North Marshfield/Humarock.


Huh,thats too funny because i have a good friend whose an ex-Astronaut and he also couldn't believe that the planes were flying at 500 feet over Marshfield.I think that they fly just as low over south Marshfield as they do East Boston and Winthrop.Anyway,we are having a sit-down strite on the runway at logan airport this saturday.My Astronaut friend is coming with us.Seafrog,i think you and anyone else that wants to stop planes should join in our crusade.We can not be stopped,we will swat them out of the sky if need be.

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Postby kell1421 » Mar Thu 08, 2007 11:15 pm

You are going to sit on a runway?
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Postby Foxx » Mar Thu 08, 2007 11:37 pm

Yes Kell,absolutely.

Myself and my band off anti-aircraft raiders will be there brite eyed and bushy tailed.I'm trying to get seafrog and maybe gerald and a few others,i can't seem to get a hold of Maryanne Mccabe.

Will you join our mighty crusade?

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Postby Ayola » Mar Thu 08, 2007 11:56 pm

Foxx,
Does your x-astronaut friend wear diapers?

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Postby Foxx » Mar Fri 09, 2007 12:04 am

Ayola wrote:Foxx,
Does your x-astronaut friend wear diapers?


Not yet,but are you interested in changing them when when he needs them changed?

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Postby Hurricane » Mar Fri 09, 2007 12:11 am

If you all are going to sit on the Runway... I sure hope you will be wearing diapers because you'll be messing your pants when those planes come towards you. :wink:
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Postby Foxx » Mar Fri 09, 2007 12:17 am

Nope.....they will abort.

Nobody is gonna stop the anti runway coalition :twisted:

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Postby Hurricane » Mar Fri 09, 2007 12:19 am

I hope you're successful !!
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Postby kell1421 » Mar Fri 09, 2007 8:05 am

Foxx wrote:Yes Kell,absolutely.

Will you join our mighty crusade?

Hell no.
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Postby seamróg » Mar Fri 09, 2007 1:01 pm

Foxx wrote:Yes Kell,absolutely.

Myself and my band off anti-aircraft raiders will be there brite eyed and bushy tailed.I'm trying to get seafrog and maybe gerald and a few others,i can't seem to get a hold of Maryanne Mccabe.

Will you join our mighty crusade?


My screen name is seamrog - Gaelic for shamrock. If you want to speak with me your welcome to meet me. What's your phone number? I will call you or meet you in town.

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Postby Bridges » Mar Fri 09, 2007 6:24 pm

Gerald Bostock wrote:[

I've seen and HEARD many big jets below 4000 feet.

So, you still have some buddies at the FAA Bridges?

Bob, here's the link:
http://www4.passur.com/bos.html
Set range to 40 miles to see Marshfield.


Well - OK, so tell me when and I'll look in the archived data. If I see it there, I will believe it. I have on rare occasion seen a plane on Airport Monitor below 6,000 feet (usually Embraer small commuter jets), and only just barely.

I have never seen a track that shows a plane over us below 5,000 feet. If you can show me one, please do.

I still know people at DOT, but not FAA specifically any more.

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Postby dojoto » Mar Fri 09, 2007 6:47 pm

I watched the planes yesterday for an hour, and they averaged 4,000 to 4,200 feet. I hear them more now than I ever have in the past.
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Postby Bridges » Mar Fri 09, 2007 6:55 pm

sevenup wrote:Check out March 6 at 7:12 am. I saw this plane as I put out the trash-I thought there was something wrong with it since it was so low and banking hard left to go to Logan. It said 4100 Ft.


Yeah - this one does show on the monitor. There were a few funny things then. I think the flight in question was Delta 1908 (an MD-88 from Laguardia to Boston). They were well over 7000 feet crossing Rt. 3, then did a hard bank near the coast and dropped much faster than usual. Not sure what that was about, but it was certainly not typical.

There was a TCAS (Tactical Collision Avoidance System) alarm the day before, due to planes landing Runway 33 and the new parallel runway. They were at similar altitudes on approach, and the lateral separation got too small. If that happens, cockpit alarms go off instructing the pilots to take evasive maneuvers.

This was a Delta Connection jet that had the TCAS alert, and a Delta flight that the did the sharp maneuver Wed. morning, so all I can figure is maybe they were still a bit jumpy and on edge.

See the Patriot Ledger story:
http://patriotledger.com/articles/2007/ ... /biz02.txt

Anyway - maybe somebody wants to investigate with the FAA what this flight was doing...

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Postby Bridges » Mar Fri 09, 2007 6:58 pm

dojoto wrote:I watch the planes yesterday for an hour, and they averaged 4,000 to 4,200 feet. I hear them more now than I ever have in the past.


What time?

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Postby joe oneill » Mar Fri 09, 2007 7:21 pm

Just to let you know i was at airport and spoke with someone there who told me air flight traffic going over the area of marshfield our at a height of 800 ft minimum in regards to logan airport traffic approach and departures.

I live on webster street which really isn't that far from the airport and is in the flight zone to the marshfield airport.while living in new jersey i was over the flight zone of newark international and new york airports so to be honest with you i personally don't even notice them accept a occussional jet engine during summer .

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Postby Bridges » Mar Fri 09, 2007 7:30 pm

joe oneill wrote:Just to let you know i was at airport and spoke with someone there who told me air flight traffic going over the area of marshfield our at a height of 800 ft minimum in regards to logan airport traffic approach and departures.


I would assume you are talking about Marshfield airport, which is not really cited as a problem by most people (today's crash possibly being a highly unusual exception).

I am not sure what you intended to say in the above statement. You spoke to somebody at the Marshfield airport, not Logan? Are you discussing separations between Marshfield airport traffic and Logan traffic? How is that relevant to the discussion?

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Postby Max » Mar Fri 09, 2007 7:39 pm

If you are talking about GHG airport, the traffic pattern is 1000 feet.

If you are talking about Logan airport, the traffic is supposed to be at 6000 feet or higher when they are over Marshfield. They are supposed to enter the "floor" of the Class B airspace at 6000 feet or higher.

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Postby Gerald Bostock » Mar Fri 09, 2007 7:49 pm

Bridges wrote:I have never seen a track that shows a plane over us below 5,000 feet. If you can show me one, please do.


I have no inclination to show you anything.

When it comes down to believing my own eyes and ears over your crap I will always opt for the former.
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Postby Bridges » Mar Fri 09, 2007 7:58 pm

Gerald Bostock wrote:
Bridges wrote:I have never seen a track that shows a plane over us below 5,000 feet. If you can show me one, please do.


I have no inclination to show you anything.

When it comes down to believing my own eyes and ears over your crap I will always opt for the former.


Why is it crap? Somebody else just pointed out a single instance where a jet was unusually low (albeit an unusual one), and it WAS visible on the monitor.

The Monitor is sold to airports by Passur and Megadata corps SPECIFICALLY so that the general public can see the reality of the situation when dealing with noise complaints. That is why Massport spends the money on the product. The data is real. You can, of course, choose to believe whatever you want.

I am just saying, the FAA and Massport are not going to react ANY differently than I am. If you want them to listen, you better be able to point to specifics, not vague generalities...

I have Perl scripts to fetch the raw data files for a given time interval. The
flight level is easy to pick out, but it turns out the raw lat/lon is not sent. It seems they just send the pixel position relative to point 0,0 (top left) of the map. I can do the math to figure out lat/lon from that (just like the Applet does).

So, I will write a script to filter the data for hits over Marshfield where the altitude is less than 6,000 feet. That will give me some good, hard data to look at.
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Postby Gerald Bostock » Mar Fri 09, 2007 8:05 pm

Bridges wrote:I am just saying, the FAA and Massport are not going to react ANY differently than I am. If you want them to listen, you better be able to point to specifics, not vague generalities...


So you do have buddies at FAA. Good for you. Tell them they will get a lot of specifics.
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Postby Bridges » Mar Fri 09, 2007 8:22 pm

Gerald Bostock wrote:
Bridges wrote:I am just saying, the FAA and Massport are not going to react ANY differently than I am. If you want them to listen, you better be able to point to specifics, not vague generalities...


So you do have buddies at FAA. Good for you. Tell them they will get a lot of specifics.


I really don't have any contacts at FAA...But if you want to believe that, go ahead. Like I said, I know people at DOT (NOT FAA) who are involved in aeronautical areas.

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Postby runna » Mar Sat 10, 2007 7:14 am

Ooops, I first posted this on another "plane" thread - sorry.

I noticed two planes coming in at that time (4:30 ish). My husband and I were driving home on 139 and just passing the Veterans Park heading towards the Center. The first plane I saw was over Pudding Hill, it was banking so sharply to head up to Logan and it was so low that I thought something was wrong with it. Then as we passed the Center another plane came buzzing past and that was the one that was even lower. It was startling to see such a large plane so low. We have noticed an increase in traffic over Rexhame but I never saw this flight path (right over the Marshfield airport area) and the plane soooo low. My husband reported the incident on that FAA link.


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